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Discuss religious, spiritual, and theological issues concerning Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other religion. 54 Minutes Ago: 3rd August 2011 01:22
This is the dead body of Rameses II, the egyptian king in the era of Prophet Moses, it's age is approximately 3000 years and it was found by the red sea at the place called Jabalain. The most amazing thing is with this dead body is that it is not a mummy, scientists say that this dead body is amazingly preserved without any mummification. A miracle, by definition, is a supernatural event beyond the laws of science; it is fulfilled only by Allah's will and power. It has significance and can be confirmed only by those who directly witnessed the event in time.

When Francisco Mitra became the president of France in 1981, France requested from the Egyptian government to host the mummy of Pharaoh. For the purpose of running laboratory and archeological examinations on the mummy of the most notorious dictator ever lived on earth. Upon arrival, very royal attendants were there including the French president himself and all ministers who bowed in honor for the Firaun Mummy.

When the ceremony ended, the mummy was carried to a specially-designed section at the Archeology Centre of France. Were it started to be tested by the greatest French archeological and anatomical scientists in order to discover more about such a great Firaun Mummy.

The scientists were headed by Professor Maurice Bucaille. The scientists were trying to restore the mummy while Professor Maurice Bucaille was mainly concerned with how did this mummy died? The final report of the scientists was released late at night which states that the remaining salt in the mummy is an overt evidence that it was drawn in the sea, and the body was rescued very shortly where it was immediately embalmed to be saved.

An amazing thing was still confusing Professor Maurice Bucaille is that how could this body possibly be safer than any other mummy despite being taken out of the sea up until this time. Professor Maurice Bucaille was writing his final report on what he thought would be a new discovery about saving Pharaoh's body immediately after his death and embalming it.

Note: The picture shown above is the dead body of Ramses II, the Egyptian King in the era of Prophet Moses (pbuh). Its age is approximately 3000 years old and it was found by the Red Sea, at the place called Jabalain, and is now on display in the Royal Mummies Chamber of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

And there, someone whispered to him that Muslims claim to know something about the drowning of this mummy. Yet Professor Maurice Bucaille firmly denied such thing saying that it's impossible to discover this without the development of science and without using his high-tech and complicated laboratories and computers.

To his surprise, he was told that Muslims believe in a book called "Holy Quran" and this Holy Quran narrates the story of Pharaoh's drowning and ensures the safety of his body after his death as to be a Sign to mankind.

Professor Maurice Bucaille couldn't believe his own ears and started to wonder: How can a book existed 1400 years ago speak about the mummy that was only found 111 years ago, in 1898? How can that be possible while the ancient Egyptian heritage was discovered only a few decades ago and no one knew about it before?

Professor Maurice Bucaille sat down pondering on what he was told about the book of Muslims, Holy Quran while his Holy Book (The Bible) narrates only the drowning of Pharaoh without saying anything about his body.

"Is it possible that this mummy in front of me is the one who was chasing Prophet Moses?" "Is it possible that Prophet Muhammad knew this 1400 years ago?"

Professor Maurice Bucaille couldn't sleep that night till they brought him the Old Testament where he read: "And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. (Exodus 14:28) But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever. (Psalm 136:15) For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the Children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea. (Exodus 15:19)"

Professor Maurice Bucaille was surprised that the Holy Book (The Bible) didn't mention about the destiny of the body and that it will be saved.

When the scientists were done with the mummy, France retuned it to Egypt, but Professor Maurice Bucaille couldn't rest for a moment since he was told that Muslims know about the safety of the body from Holy Quran. So, he decided to travel and meet anatomy Muslim scientists and there he spoke about his discovery of the safety of the mummy after its death in the sea and so on.

One of the Muslim scientists stood up and simply opened Holy Quran and pointed to the Professor at one verse: "We brought the Children of Israel across the sea and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on the point of drowning, he (Pharaoh) said, I believe that there is no god but Him in whom the Children of Israel believe. I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). What! Now! And indeed you disobeyed before and you were of the mischief-makers. This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs." (Holy Quran 10:90-92)

Professor Maurice Bucaille was struck when he read that and immediately stood in front of the crowd and said loudly: "I believe in Islam, I believe in Holy Quran."

Then he went back to France with a different face he traveled with. In France, he dedicated 10 years investigating the scientific discoveries and comparing them with Holy Quran and trying to come up with one scientific contradiction with Holy Quran. Finally he quoted one verse from Holy Quran to be his conclusion:

"No falsehood can approach it (this book) from before or behind it: it is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all praise." (Holy Quran 41:42)

As a result of all years of his research, Professor Maurice Bucaille wrote a book that shook all Europe, especially the scientists there "The Bible, the Quran and Science: The Holy Scriptures Examined in the light of Modern Knowledge."

I would just like to know everyone's thoughts regarding the preservation of the Pharaohs body? Last edited by Manzzzzz; 51 Minutes Ago at 01:24. 46 Minutes Ago: 3rd August 2011 01:29   Re: Pharaoh Ramesses II (Firaun) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfpnULtcLvA

Good video to watch you will get a lot of people using ramses II to claim scientific facts in various scriptures, that is in no way true

Brief summary

He was mummified (twice in fact)
Was not really that well preserved (a number of mummies were older and in better condition)
He did not die of drowning the claim of sea salt is because it was used in all mummifications.
The man who first made this claim was in no way a top egyptologist (He was the physician to the king, which makes him a pretty bias source on its own) and every other person who studied it did not come up with the same conclusions

Last edited by Darth Stewie; 37 Minutes Ago at 01:38. 33 Minutes Ago: 3rd August 2011 01:42   Re: Pharaoh Ramesses II (Firaun) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfpnULtcLvA

Good video to watch you will get a lot of people using ramses II to claim scientific facts in various scriptures, that is in no way true

Brief summary

He was mummified (twice in fact)
Was not really that well preserved (a number of mummies were older and in better condition)
He did not die of drowning the claim of sea salt is because it was used in all mummifications.
The man who first made this claim was in no way a top egyptologist (He was the physician to the king, which makes him a pretty bias source on its own) and every other person who studied it did not come up with the same conclusions

The Qu'ran quotes 10:90-92?

"Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you"

All the egyptian mummies where buried safely underground in tombs, where they went to great lengths to hide them, so that they wouldnt be found. Yet, 3000 years later the mummy ends up in Cairo Museum for everyone to see.

31 Minutes Ago: 3rd August 2011 01:44   Re: Pharaoh Ramesses II (Firaun) Sorry brother going to have to call Shinanigans on this one, as DarthStewie pointed out, it's all pretty much faked to the moon and back.

Edit: Not implying that the Moon Landing was faked >.>

26 Minutes Ago: 3rd August 2011 01:49   Re: Pharaoh Ramesses II (Firaun) The Qu'ran quotes 10:90-92?

"Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you"

All the egyptian mummies where buried safely underground in tombs, where they went to great lengths to hide them, so that they wouldnt be found. Yet, 3000 years later the mummy ends up in Cairo Museum for everyone to see.

Actually the better translation is "Save you in body" and pretty much every scholar interprets that to mean that Allah allowed Pharaoh to live, so that he could act as a warning to his people. 20 Minutes Ago: 3rd August 2011 01:55   Re: Pharaoh Ramesses II (Firaun) The Qu'ran quotes 10:90-92?

"Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you"

All the Egyptian mummies where buried safely underground in tombs, where they went to great lengths to hide them, so that they wouldn't be found. Yet, 3000 years later the mummy ends up in Cairo Museum for everyone to see.

thousands and thousands have been found. After they were discovered in Egypt, they were so plentiful that they were even used to fuel trains in the late 1800's. Although Ramses II was in a pretty good state all things considered, it was nothing miraculous.

The Egyptian museum alone has 27 on display, 4 of which are older and better preserved that Ramses II. This is nothing supernatural which is the reason why most serious Egpytologists wont even entertain the idea of this being some form of miracle.

16 Minutes Ago: 3rd August 2011 02:00   Re: Pharaoh Ramesses II (Firaun) Ok so do you not believe the pharaoh died in the sea? Im retracting the statement.

Carry on.

Salaam.

But still, this Ramses thing's is massively faked.

1 Minute Ago: 3rd August 2011 02:14   Re: Pharaoh Ramesses II (Firaun) thousands and thousands have been found. After they were discovered in Egypt, they were so plentiful that they were even used to fuel trains in the late 1800's. Although Ramses II was in a pretty good state all things considered, it was nothing miraculous.

The Egyptian museum alone has 27 on display, 4 of which are older and better preserved that Ramses II. This is nothing supernatural which is the reason why most serious Egpytologists wont even entertain the idea of this being some form of miracle.

The Quran says he was killed by a sea engulfing upon him. Now it is said on wikipedia he probably died of dental problems or suffering from Arthritis.

If there is salt found (and I believe it was), they will say it is from the mummification process and whatever. I do not believe this, as I believe God preserved the body.

How can a book existed 1400 years ago speak about the mummy that was only found 111 years ago, in 1898? How can that be possible while the ancient Egyptian heritage was discovered only a few decades ago and no one knew about it before?

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