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Discuss religious, spiritual, and theological issues concerning Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or any other religion. 17 Minutes Ago: 21st September 2011 20:02   Re: Why do muslims think Islam is peaceful? There hasn't been a proper Islamic country for a long time you do realise this?

Most middle eastern countries are run by a royal family or a dictator which are against Islam............... so how did you get the conclusion they are following Islam?
As a Muslim myself i can tell there isn't a proper Islamic country out there...............even Saudi Arabia can't really trust their scholars because they are influenced by some family ¬¬

Rubbish, stop trying to equate the murder of these people by pinning it on Muslim leaders. Its a pathetic attempt to avoid blaming Islam and we can see through it. And Islam is undemocratic so what makes you think that these countries would have democratic leaders. 16 Minutes Ago: 21st September 2011 20:03   Re: Why do muslims think Islam is peaceful? ahhhh another generic thread trying to raise doubts in the minds of muslims about their religion trolololololYou live in the west, you do not need to have you religion pointed out to you. Ask yourself why you and your fellow Muslims are desperate to live in non Muslim countries. I'll never doubt my religion. It gives me freedom and safety. Anything anyone,says,can never change my mind. Including all the islam hating threads.

NO

The west in which you live in gives you freedom and safety

14 Minutes Ago: 21st September 2011 20:05   Re: Why do muslims think Islam is peaceful? Why can't you do it? I presented you with stories, if you want to investigate them further that's your job.Ok, simple. Iran is largely dominated and governed by Twelver shias, which constitutes approximately 15% of Muslims worldwide. The reason this is an important point is as follows:
In sunni Islam (85% muslims) it is nigh on impossible to prove claims of adultery/sex-before-marriage or any other sexually deviant acts because one of the conditions is that four reliable and trustworthy witnesses must have physically witnessed the act of penetration. For this reason there has never been a case in Sunni countries of adultery being proven without an individual coming forward and confessing out of their own will. if a case is brought forth by one person alone, that person risks being punished even if they saw the act of penetration with their own eyes, 3 others need to testify as well. This prevents random people from trying to start trouble.

That's why I was very curious about the OP's claims.

11 Minutes Ago: 21st September 2011 20:07   Re: Why do muslims think Islam is peaceful? Ok, simple. Iran is largely dominated and governed by Twelver shias, which constitutes approximately 15% of Muslims worldwide. The reason this is an important point is as follows:
In sunni Islam (85% muslims) it is nigh on impossible to prove claims of adultery/sex-before-marriage or any other sexually deviant acts because one of the conditions is that four reliable and trustworthy witnesses must have physically witnessed the act of penetration. For this reason there has never been a case in Sunni countries of adultery being proven without an individual coming forward and confessing out of their own will. if a case is brought forth by one person alone, that person risks being punished even if they saw the act of penetration with their own eyes, 3 others need to testify as well. This prevents random people from trying to start trouble.

That's why I was very curious about the OP's claims.

This again, has nothing to do with what I posted. You asked me for examples of abuses of LGBT rights in Islam and I provided you with them, so why are you quoting me with a load of crap?

Anyways, I just saw this which is interesting::

"Cultural acceptance or hostility
Most Muslim-majority countries are not liberal in terms of tolerance for homosexual rights. Some like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Uzbekistan and Malaysia have high levels of hostility due to the influence of religion and politics. Among these countries, Iran is seen by some as being considerably more intolerant. In one case that caused international controversy, Iran executed Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni on July 19, 2005, after they were convicted for the rape of a 13-year-old boy. Soon after, a British group alleged that the teenagers were executed for consensual homosexual acts and not rape.
While Iran has outlawed homosexuality, Iranian Shi'a thinkers such as Ayatollah Khomeini have allowed for transsexuals to change their gender so that they can enter heterosexual relationships. This position has been confirmed by the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and is also supported by many other Iranian clerics. The state will pay a portion of the cost for a sex-change operation. Despite support for transsexuals from Iranian religious leaders, Iranian society itself is less accepting of them.
In India, where Muslims form a large minority, the largest Islamic seminary (Darul Uloom Deoband) has vehemently opposed recent government moves[35] to abrogate and liberalize laws from the British Raj era that banned homosexuality.[36]
Some secular Muslim countries like Albania, Indonesia, Turkey, Kazakhstan, etc. have more liberal attitudes.
In the UK, a Gallup poll showed that none of the 500 British Muslims polled believed homosexuality to be "morally acceptable", compared with 35% of the 1001 French Muslims polled."

8 Minutes Ago: 21st September 2011 20:11   Re: Why do muslims think Islam is peaceful? Rubbish, stop trying to equate the murder of these people by pinning it on Muslim leaders. Its a pathetic attempt to avoid blaming Islam and we can see through it. And Islam is undemocratic so what makes you think that these countries would have democratic leaders.As you have just stated 'Muslim Leaders' Being a Muslim doesn't mean you represent the faith automatically............ it would suggest that the Sexual assaults carried out by priests out in the past is because of Christianity which isn't true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Caliphate

4 Minutes Ago: 21st September 2011 20:15   Re: Why do muslims think Islam is peaceful? Back atcha bro.

Look mate, anti-LGBT feelings are present in many developing countries. It could be a cultural thing or a religious thing, who knows. But one thing's for sure, it's apparent in most developing countries and not just Islamic ones but places like Jamaica and the West Indies where murders are quite common. My point was Muslim countries might be more civil because even though it is against their religion it is very difficult, ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE, to prove, and this is better than in the West Indies because you don't get random Muslims taking the law into their own hands because if they do they will face the death penalty themselves. Do you understand the relevance of what I'm saying or can you not think even slightly laterally?

Last edited by Stanley90; 3 Minutes Ago at 20:16. 4 Minutes Ago: 21st September 2011 20:15   Re: Why do muslims think Islam is peaceful? As you have just stated 'Muslim Leaders' Being a Muslim doesn't mean you represent the faith automatically............ it would suggest that the Sexual assaults carried out by priests out in the past is because of Christianity which isn't true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Caliphate

Your point is irrevelent, No where in the bible does it say it is ok to rape children. The koran does say a lot about advocating the rape of slaves, slave ownership misoyny etc. Those priests are punished. 2 Minutes Ago: 21st September 2011 20:17   Re: Why do muslims think Islam is peaceful? Back atcha bro.

Look mate, anti-LGBT feelings are present in many developing countries. It could be a cultural thing or a religious thing, who knows. But one thing's for sure, it's apparent in most developing countries and not just Islamic ones but places like Jamaica and the West Indies where murders are quite common. My point was Muslim countries might be more civil because even though it is against their religion it is very difficult to prove, and this is better than in the West Indies because you don't get random Muslims taking the law into their own hands because if they do they will face the death penalty themselves. Do you understand the relevance of what I'm saying or can you not think even slightly laterally?

Of course that's true, however, I'd also blame the problems of homophobia in developing countries on religion. Don't you see, I'm not only critical of Islam, but also all other faiths. I believe most religions are inherently homophobic, or don't you understand that? So yeah, if you get my response I'd appreciate it if you weren't so condescending in your reply

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